Comments on: CSS

By: EingeschrÃ¤nkte

EingeschrÃ¤nkte — Wed, 06 Jan 2010 14:31:59 +0000

Now, its 2010 and Ivans statement from 2008 still is valid. Confirmed: CSS must die. It is an inadequate concept for visual tasks. Visually, the relationship between elements is important. But in CSS, the elements are like Robinson Crusoes, and you need to define their characteristics instead of their relations to other elements.

By: Ivan

Ivan — Wed, 16 Jul 2008 19:44:05 +0000

It is now 2008, IE8 is on the horizon, Firefox 3 now passes the Acid 2 test, and Opera and Safari are the “kings” at CSS.

And, yes… CSS still sucks. It’s still a pain in the ass to design anything good, and they all STILL look different.

CSS needs to DIE. Bring back the tables!!!

By: Freddie

Freddie — Sun, 08 Aug 2004 20:51:28 +0000

First, if everyones site was valid then there would be no problem, at all. IE is used by over 70% of people, so design for it. I have never had any problem with IE and CSS as long as it is done right. If more than 50% of people use something then it is a standard, it is a sad but correct fact, you have to design for the majority, if IE does not support something then 10min later it is out of W3C’s DTD. IE was the first with xls/xml support and was supporting css/java years before netscape did…

By: Jer

Jer — Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

I usually go through a love/hate phase in CSS endeavors. Working in Safari/Firebird I’ll get a perfectly logical layout going that I’m very happy with, maybe using some groovy tip from the Zeldmans and the Meyers.

Then bring it up in IE and realize the work/pain has only just begun.

I’d love to kick microsoft in their gold plated nuts…

By: Kaptin

Kaptin — Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

CSS isn’t so bad, what sucks is that no browser follows all the standards or renders it the same.

By: b

Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

Agreed. Who ever is inventing standards for the web needs a good going over. And why is there no error checking for CSS? It’s like painting blindfolded.

By: Jer

Jer — Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

If you haven’t tried it the EditCSS plugin for firefox is really helpful for both experimentation and troubleshooting:

http://texturizer.net/firefox/extensions/#editcss

The webdeveloper plugin is also fun:

http://texturizer.net/firefox/extensions/#webdeveloper

By: M.e.

M.e. — Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

Mankind, I hear that! I’m finally buckling down and learning it myself. I just got over the hump the other day. It’s MUCH better and easier now.

Check out Joe Gillespie’s site: http://www.wpdfd.com/

He’s in the middle of an article called CSS from the ground up. It helped me quite a bit.

The site is looking good, by the way.

By: ted

ted — Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

CSS is pretty good, just don’t ever design for IE. It’s a pain in the ass and is very, very broken when it comes to rendering anything properly.

Gecko (Netscape 6+, Firefox/Firebird, Mozilla) is the best to design for, since it follows standards the best, and a decent amount of people use it.

KHTML (Safari, Konqueror) is pretty good too. A few glitches here and there, but no massive CSS tweaking like what you need to do with IE.

I havn’t tried Opera, but it can’t be all that bad if people like it enough to pay for it.

By: ted

ted — Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

By the way, the W3C invented CSS:
http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/

It’s headed by the guy that invented the web, they pretty much make and update all the web standards, like HTML.

If you think it’s a pain in the ass just designing the site, try following their standards. The HTML validator is a pain in the ass, never before have I gotten an entire site to work with it. Those who do get a shiny button.