Posted on - June 26, 2007 [at] 8:55 pm by Brad
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Scott asks where Touring 2.0 is. Eventful’s okay but he’s right: it could be so much better. Things that suck about Eventful:
- It hassles people to sign up for Eventful accounts. People tell me it’s required, but like for Louisville, Kentucky there are 13 demands but I can only see that 3 Eventful users are demanding it.
- Regarding the above — how am I supposed to contact those other ten people if I wind up in the area? Why don’t I see their email addresses? It can’t be a spam thing — they signed up!
- The Eventful interface is cluttered as hell, I never know where the hell I’m supposed to be looking for things. Could use some serious streamlining.
If it didn’t annoy me in those ways I’d think about running my whole gig list off of them. But not if they’re going to be all stingy and into the lock-in.
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Conley on Touring 2.0
June 27, 2007 at 9:54 am
Agreed. I hate having to sign up for something I am going to use once. There is the problem that you would have people writing scripts to vote for something 1,000 times over (I did that once so that the CS dept at my school would watch Tron instead of Swordfish on movie night ;)). However, having an email confirmation option would be nice. Wouldn’t require any signing up, and would enforce unique votes, not to mention still give contact information.
Brian Dear on Touring 2.0
June 27, 2007 at 11:00 am
Brad, thanks for the constructive criticism of Eventful. I’d like to address each issue you raise in your blog post.
1. “It hassles people to sign up for Eventful accounts.”
We invite people to get a full Eventful account, for sure, but it’s not required to join a Demand nor use most of the Eventful site. Hence, most Demands have a majority of users who’ve not registered with full accounts, and their names don’t show up among the demanders, like you pointed out for Louisville, KY, simply because they didn’t provide names to show (and we’re certainly not gonna list out their email addresses, that wouldn’t last very long!)
2. “How am I supposed to contact these other ten people if I wind up in the area?”
The way you contact people is to use the Performer Dashboard. If you’re registered on the site as a Performer, and it appears you are for the “Brad Sucks” Performer, then just go to http://eventful.com/bradsucks, and if you’re signed in, you will see some options near the top of the page that let you get to your Performer Dashboard. Inside there are tools to let you send messages to ALL the people who have demanded you in a given city, or among multiple cities, whether they’re registered or not. You can also see Google maps of where you demands (and events) are, and lots of statistical graphs on how the demands are doing.
3. “The Eventful interface is cluttered as hell”
Yeah, it’s not perfect, we know. We’re actively working on cleaning it up, and we welcome specific feedback about where you think it is most cluttered — what pages would you most prefer us to address first? What is causing you the most difficulty?
- Brian Dear
Founder, Eventful, Inc.
Brad on Touring 2.0
June 27, 2007 at 11:01 am
Conley: Exactly. Seems like you could do it exactly like a mailing list subscription. It’d be a neat add-on for a mailing list package really, just a bit of geo-tagging.
Brad on Touring 2.0
June 27, 2007 at 12:14 pm
Hi Brian, thanks for the reply!
#1: Why would giving me the email addresses of my fans “not last long”? I understand that some bands get all spammy, but if someone’s signing up to demand me in their area, they should expect to hear from me again.
And while I figured out that users didn’t have to sign up based on the data, I got a bunch of complaints about it. I also got complaints that @hotmail and @gmail addresses didn’t work.
#2: I had been to the dashboard a number of times but didn’t notice the little balloon icons with “Msg.” at the top of the column. I had read the FAQ as well, which said I should “select the location”, which would then take me back to the location page, with no mention of the message. Maybe I’m a dummy, but I tried a bunch of times.
#3: I just took a tour through the site to find out what was bugging me:
- When I want to see what’s going on I go to http://www.eventful.com/bradsucks because it’s the easiest URL to remember. It doesn’t show me how many total demands, only the total demand _locations_ next to “Demands for Brad Sucks”. I have to click on that number to see the total overall (right now 99 in 50 — the 99 number is more important to me and changes more often than the 50 obviously).
- But this isn’t where you want me to go, you want me to go to my performer dashboard because that’s what it’s for, right? But if I click on that I go here: http://eventful.com/my/performer/P0-001-000045599-9 and I don’t see a total at all and I only see my Top 10 locations, so I get even less information than clicking that #50 once.
- Where I _really_ want to be (which I just discovered and I guess should bookmark) is the “Events and Demands” page: http://eventful.com/my/performer/P0-001-000045599-9/events-demands as that has my totals, a pretty map, my events, add event link, message center, etc. Put a list of recent comments/changes on there and it’d be perfect.
- So that’s four different pages and only one gives me most of the information I need. Two (the performer dashboards) are almost identical except the first one lacks a lot of information — what’s the point of it? Personally I’d think about making everything (demands, performer dashboard) work off of the Events and Demands dashboard that I like.
Other stuff:
- I have no idea how to set the level required for “critical mass”. I live two hours from Montreal so I’d probably go there for a small handful of people. Across the country? Probably takes a bit more.
- When I’m logged out and visit this page in IE 7:
http://eventful.com/performers/P0-001-000045599-9/demand
And I select a country as well as a city and click Go nothing happens.
- Also you might want to change that big “Join” button to a “Demand” button if it doesn’t force you to sign up for an account.
All right running out of steam here, time to get back to work. Hope that’s helpful.
scottandrew on Touring 2.0
June 27, 2007 at 12:46 pm
Agree, too many dashboards. Some of these could be consolidated.
I had been to the dashboard a number of times but didn’t notice the little balloon icons with “Msg.” at the top of the column.
Same here. That really should be an *email* icon and it should be to the right somewhere — on the left, it just looks like a bullet point marker. A tooltip appearing over the icon would be nice way to indicate its function; at the very least it should have some alt text.
I really dislike how non-members are completely anonymous. It’s very dissatisfying to see 10 people in a demand but only see 3 usernames. Even if you’re only collecting the email addresses so that demanders can be notified of events, why not ask for a “nickname” or something? Give them a minimum of identity so they feel *somewhat* invested — after all, part of the coolness of the whole thing is *they* brought the artist to play their area.
Darg on Touring 2.0
June 27, 2007 at 4:26 pm
I would demand you to play in my town, but I don’t feel like signing up for something I’ll use once.
Andrew Hoehler on Touring 2.0
June 28, 2007 at 6:09 pm
Just as a question, since you mentioned the Louisville demand, is that looking like a possibility?
Brad on Touring 2.0
June 28, 2007 at 9:10 pm
Definitely a possibility.
I’d like to get the numbers up and I probably won’t be traveling anywhere far until I get my new record out (soon I tell you!), but I hope to do it. Just trying to prepare in advance a little bit (which is not normally my style).
failrate on Touring 2.0
June 30, 2007 at 5:39 pm
Sounds like the Eventful cat is willing to roll with the feedback, innit? Is there hidden somewhere therein a bug or feedback form?
@Brad: I think the idea with not listing e-mail addresses is the worry about farming. I could probably be a dick and sign up to Eventful pretending to be My Chemical Romance or some garbage, harvest loads of e-mails and then sell them to spammers. Of course, allowing you to send mail via Eventful to those people would be decent.
The only thing that annoyed me about Eventful was that the Flash doohicky on your page displaying all of the demands was not actually a link that took me directly to the Eventful request page for you. That would be pretty easy to manage, though.